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Poster: GitRdead Date: Mar 7, 2012 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: help me help my friend

No, not me....

I have a friend who is an unbelievable guitarist (like, really, unbelievable) and he likes the dead on sort of a surface level. He doesnt really listen to any music too much, just plays it. Anyway, i really, really want to get him fully into the dead, and I'm looking for a specific jam that will get him hooked. something that showcases the dead's improvisational abilities as well as their technical abilities, and something that is somewhat accessible (most first timers prob won't faint over a 34 minute dark star like we do)...I'm not trying to start a "best jam" argument, I just want a to show him a jam that will really get him into the band, and make him realize what the band is truly all about. Thanks!

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 9, 2012 5:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

So, for scientific research (I'm sure Tell would approve) could you let us know what you finally pick and what the reaction was?

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 7, 2012 11:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

For a later selection, the Scarlet>Fire transition jam from the DP Hartford 83 is one of my all time favorites.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1983-10-14.senn421.wise.miller.103233.flac16

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Mar 7, 2012 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

Either the Weather Report Suite or the PITB from DP 14.

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Poster: Finster Baby Date: Mar 7, 2012 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

Try the "Beautiful Jam" transition between Wharf Rat and D/S 2/19/71 Port Chester.

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 7, 2012 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-04-29.sbd.multitracks.miller.114350.flac16

Start at Alligator

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Mar 7, 2012 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

Try the gorgeous Jam segment starting about 8 minutes into this poignant rendition of Comes A Time at the Orpheum Theatre...

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-07-17.sbd.fricker-fix.tetzeli.34708.sbefail.flac16

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Poster: turnphilup Date: Mar 7, 2012 5:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

The "Borg of Jamz". Go to track 10 from the link below and try to explain to him that when we say, "the music played the band," this is what it sounds like. Must have patience though grasshopper. This mind warped instrumental slowly builds up before the final seven minute nirvana like crescendo, which leaves you in utter awe at the telepathic improvisational skills this quartet is pulling off here. Phil tells the audience earlier in the show, that they are really just "clever androids" right before Birdsong kicks off, so they must have been feeling really in synch with each other this evening. At the peak of their game, in my humble opinion. Think this jam is on the So many roads box, but I like this matrix version as well. If you can, go to about the 13:04 mark. Bill kick starts the base drum and then he and Keith find a groove, Phil and Jerry then pick up on it and just destroy it for the next seven minutes before drifting into a stunning Wharfrat. Seven minutes of heaven. If he gets this, he might "get" the dead. Good luck.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-07-27.mtx.seamons.100410.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 8, 2012 5:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

That's just a beautiful recording.

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Poster: portmcgroin Date: Mar 7, 2012 5:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

I agree with snow and rain 4-29-71 alligator on. I have friends that hate the Dead even give it props. May 77 shows are a good choice also they have that amazing energy to them plus the songs tend to be not to long.

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Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Mar 7, 2012 11:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

How about the amazing jam between Cryptical and TOO from this show:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-04-15.sbd.kaplan.14354.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 7, 2012 1:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

Since many have covered yrs other than 68, I'd only offer a nice structured jam, like Spanish Jam, Clementine and then the Eleven, since each of these have enough energy and again, "structure" (they are going somewhere, internal buildup, etc., like the Eleven) that they should be "accessible". And, for great quality, you could select from the out-takes of the Golden Road, since those will be top notch (ie, instrumentals provided on re-issues, like Aox, etc.; or, moving into 69, any of the great Elevens, from Live Dead, Jan or Feb shows prior to Fillmore, etc.).

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Poster: belmon28 Date: Mar 7, 2012 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend


How about Eyes of The World,> Stronger Than Dirt from the first vault release. Jerry is just amazing on both.

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Poster: Jobygoob Date: Mar 8, 2012 1:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

I'll take a leap into the 90's since nobody else will with my favorite jam from the summer tour, 7/6/90 Louisville KY:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd90-07-06.sbd.miller.12770.sbeok.shnf

Specifically He's Gone-> Jam-> Drums-> Jam-> Truckin'

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Mar 7, 2012 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-06-23.sdb.smith.116312.flac16

Dark Star>Spanish Jam>US Blues

Before you get scared the DS is under 18 min, has no lyrics (is it a Dark Star or Dark Star Jam?) and never gets spacey or weird so i think it is very approachable. The style shifts in the SJ for a few minutes and then again in an intro jam into one of the most rocking' US Blues you'll find.

Amazingly in the same set you get another nice little unique jam segment to open the set as bonus before they hit Ship of Fools. So I would say that this set is perfect for what you are looking for.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Mar 8, 2012 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

That's funny. That DS>Spanish Jam>U.S. Blues is the first thing that popped into my head when I was thinking of an accessible jam, because I remember it being one of the first jams that helped me get hooked on GD, particularly that U.S. Blues intro. I think every version of U.S. Blues pales in comparison to that one.


yesss! makes a good point though. It really depends on what genres you're into. For some, the '74 jams are going to be too laid back. A '68 jam might take better.

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2012-03-09 03:11:29

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Poster: GitRdead Date: Mar 7, 2012 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

Thanks everyone, alot of these suggestions were already top candidates. My guess is that I will show him an eyes from 73-74, and maybe some nuggets from Dave's Picks. I might also just show him the movie, because then he gets a taste for the scene a little bit and a reference of what the band looks like. If he likes it i might put on a really spacey dark star, or a nice clean Playin'

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Mar 8, 2012 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

Let me throw out a very approachable Playin' that has a clear form and direction throughout. This is the one I put up a couple of days ago.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-07-19.sbd.miller.32634.sbeok.flac16

Keep us posted on the progress of your project. I know I've gotten a few folks on the bandwagon who had previously dismissed the Dead as a "fad band for druggies who refuse to grow up". These people, like your friend, already had a love for music, especially the more "technical" stuff, like classic Jazz. After some early 70's Dead exposure, they quickly changed their opinions.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 8, 2012 5:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

Great thread ... bookmarking for future edification.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Mar 8, 2012 1:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

I made a CD using out-takes from the GoldRoad Boxed set as well as the out-takes from Aox (circulating "show" so to speak) since they have "instrumentals" of tunes like the Eleven, etc., and it provides a "vocal free" perfect "background music" for get-togethers in which NO one suspects they are listening to the DEAD, and always end up impressed with Clementine, Sp Jam, etc., etc.

As we would probably agree, unless they are studio versions, folks often recognize (make faces?) live DEAD tunes by the poor vocals, so what the heck--this way I leave them out...even in 68.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Mar 8, 2012 5:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

I find that more people like the Dead when they don't know they're listening to the Dead ... that is a good idea with the instrumentals.

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Mar 8, 2012 7:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

I've encountered this scenario several times actually. I'll be playing the Dead and someone says, "Hey this is pretty good, who is that?"

Me: "It's the GRATEFUL DEAD!

Other Person: "Ohhh, I had no idea they sounded like that."

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Mar 9, 2012 10:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

If your boy likes the blues, then how about the Truckin> Nobody's Jam> MLB jam, etc.. from 5/19/74?

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-05-19.sbd.fix.miller.107165.flac16

Once they get through with the "Get back truckin on!" bit this turns into a flat-out awesome Truckin/Nodody's attack into a gorgeous MLB/NFA jam. One of the best parts of one of the year's best shows.

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Poster: yesss! Date: Mar 7, 2012 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: help me help my friend

when trying to turn somebody on to the dead i usually try to start with something vaguely similar to music the person already likes. if they like country/folk/bluegrass give them some 70/71, if they like loud aggressive stuff give them some 68/69, if they like jazz try 73/74, etc.. but if your friend doesn't really have much of a preference and is mainly focused on the guitar and the instrumental performance, then i would probably go for something between 73-75. i believe that this was the band's most overtly technical period in overall band approach and song arrangement as well technical ability, and there are many performances that showcase the band's improvisational skills as well as their musical chops.

if you just want one song/jam i would maybe try a 73-75 eyes of the world, as it is very accessible but still has great guitar solos and a technical and interesting outro jam. a few choices would be 9/7/73, 6/18/74, and 8/13/75. the last two are official releases and not on the archive, but 9/7 is here: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-09-07.sbd.goodbear.1126.sbeok.shnf

china>rider from that period is also pretty accessible while containing a nice jam sequence. 5/19/74 is a good one, and there are other good jams from that show as well- particularly the truckin'>nfa>gdtrfb. http://www.archive.org/details/gd1974-05-19.sbd.miller.116983.flac16

help>slip>franklin's is another somewhat accessible chunk of GD that has nice songs, good solos, and a contained jam. 8/13/75 or 5/9/77 are good versions. i think that 8/13/75 (one from the vault) is a great "gateway show", as it has a good variety of songs, lots of great guitar playing and tight but enthusiastic performances, and excellent sound.

good luck!